My response on VPL
 

So many critiques, so few doing any better.

And they accused me of 'tossing mud', because I actually made a valid point. What a joke.


http://www.virtualpetlist.com/thread...0/#post-205021

I have to agree that that was a bit too unreasonable. Mysidia may not have the best quality(not that I understand the "issues" they were talking about), but it seems as though they were comparing the script to a flawless one...
that doesn't exist?
Also, since the reviewer has the time and skill to write reviews on how basically everything about the script is problematic, couldn't he use that review-writing time to contribute to the script and notify HoF? D:<
I mean, if your coding skills are so great but you don't have the [strike]time[/strike](nah, he had the time clearly) and the genrosity to make a "good" free script, then why doesn't he offer a helping hand to someone who does? My goodness...

Well I guess partially it was because the original script was really bad, when I barely took over from BMR it had bugs and amateur code all over the files. I wasnt able to fix them quickly after someone first pointed it out(and it was my fault for not taking it seriously at first), so the bad impression lasted for a while. Even now, its hard to change people when their first impression was already so firm. I do think Mys v1.3.x still needs some improvements, but I aint quite optimistic about Mys v1.4.x's reception either even if I'll have fixed everything by then. I guess hope on VPL is all lost, I dont plan to change their mind. They do make some points I cannot argue, at least for now. Thankfully, the issues mentioned in Nobackseat's latest post are already fixed in Mys v1.4.x(barring the view being PHP since I dont see anything wrong with that).

Edit: I checked out modular gaming too, it looks nice and professional, but it doesnt seem to be specifically customized to work with adoptables/pets. Maybe they have an extension that allows that? I dont know, but it doesnt seem to be an alternative for people with absolutely no coding skills.

It seems they did a pretty new recent review, and my whole point was, if someone there has the skill and the time, let's see what you got?

And nothin'. haha, as usual. I've been waiting 7 years for something like that and Mysid IS the best .. I tried Kitto ( doesn't even load the SQL! ) and their Modular Gaming thing -- that is a total fail.

VPet is a SUPER neat script and I have it, if we could gank some of their games for Mysida, that would be awesome.

If anyone is interested, let me know.


Number one, that I hear: we need games, we need Quests, we need activities. I'm having people quit my site for lack of them, and I just can't get the hang of coding them.

Well, it's still a bit ridiculous to rant about something before you put in the slightest effort to fix it? Where are you going to find another person who will dedicate so much time to such a project for free? I understand that they were saying the script has problems, but they shouldn't bash it so brutally in comparison to something that's perfect but doesn't exist - at least not for non-coders like me. XP
Even if you're not willing to include effort as an object of evaluation, you have to acknowledge the the Mys script actually exists right - with support? O.o

By vPet do you mean this? Or do they have a newer and better version?
http://webscripts.softpedia.com/scri...ine-40487.html

I agree. I'd love to help yu out with this, but I think my coding skills are poorer than yours. :L
If they say Mysidia has problems, then let's fix them slowly. :3

Wallie I am with you 100 %!!!!!

And yes, HOF, thats the one. That site doesn't even exist now, but i have the whole script and SQL -- they are apparently gone for good.

They have GREAT games and quests and shops on this .. the code is crap and apparently bad, but I'd bet someone here could gank just enough for us to have some good games and features outta this! :)

Well, I hear the comment function in Mys can work with javascript. I have no experience with JS, but I've seen some games on *cough* khanacademy(I'm a young student) *cough* that earn points. All the codes are open. I wish there's a way to turn those points into money... Actually, is this possible?

This is what this script needs, SO bad. Games, Quests, things people can do when they get sick of collecting and breeding.

I'd bet a few days or even a day, and someone here can get a few going! :)

And it needs to plug into the currency system, give them $$ --- or the pets, give them points etc

Umm, I'm currently helping Ruinily finish a v.1.2.4-1.3.2 fusion battle system. O.o

here's a working model of Vpet:

Its not active but you can register and get online I think to see some of this ...

http://sim-life.com/Sim-Pets

http://sim-life.com/Sim-Pets/games.php?game=1

Just look at the games and quests ..

Thanks for your kind word Wallie. ^^ I just think that the standard is different between professional coders and customers/clients of the script. I dont mind their criticism, honestly the first post NoBackSeat made did get me to work harder improving the script to the state it is now. I hope by Mys v1.4.0 most of the criticism will go away, but it may still have flaws. Every script has glitches and issues, developers always spend time fixing them after the initial release. Sometimes to maintain a script takes longer than to write from scratch. XD

And Anna, I have heard of the script too, even before I knew Rusnak Adoptables existed back then. I have paid for a license too, its in my old computer as well. I actually checked its source code back in 2012, honestly it wasnt a good script. The code aint really more professional than Mysidia Adoptables, I dont even see OOP being used. However, it does have some excellent features that I borrow some ideas from. I will implement them one by one in Mys v1.4.x and later v1.5.x, for now its still possible to port them to Mys v1.3.4 but it can be a bit tricky.

Honestly HOF the only complaints i ever get on my site is that people really want more to do.

They love the look and all else, they just need more to do.

For me, I can do the breeding forever, haha.

But I guess a lot of people really want Quests and Games and activities in which they can earn money and their pet can earn awards or points. I say this is a big thing because I've been asked several times now, when am I adding more activities ...

I think what really matters is that we all keep improving as time passes. :3 I'm certain mysidia will improve, maybe slowly, but surely.
Unfortunately, I'm going to have one heck of a hard time doing so with the script for several reasons. Most noticeably, I have an almost non-existent amount of experience; my site is using v1.3.3 and I've poured so much time; blood, and sweat into adding the few extra features to want to upgrade; and in case you can't tell, I'm not very... umm... bright?

@Anna:
I see, I totally understand. The original plan for a Quest system is in Mys v1.6.0, but guess it will be too long to wait for you? The fact is that you dont really need a Quest system to make quests available to users, you can use some simple PHP and HTML. I can help you with an example if you want to see what I mean by this. ^^

@Wallie:
True, the script will improve with time. I understand what you mean, you've made so many changes to your Mys v1.3.3 site that upgrading will break a lot of things. Manual upgrade between versions in Mys v1.3.x is very difficult, since each release feels like somewhat of an overhaul. XD But dont worry, theres a way to back-port features from future scripts to early versions. I will let you know how to do that when the time comes.

Ah .... HOF that would be fantastic!

I can pretty well mod and alter Quests/Games if i had some sort of basic script for it. And yeah, I fear we need some perks added sooner than 1.6 :)


Aw Wallie! It isnt a matter of bright! I modded a ton of things for the old Rusnak script, but for some reason my brain just really hates the whole OOP script and battles me on creating with it, even though I try. If I have a framework, I can alter it pretty good, though!

@ HoF That sounds great! XD But really my biggest concern is security - that I absolutely can't understand! Basically as long as no one can hack accounts, I can wait for everything else. But I do agree with Annatar that a quest and battle system soon would be great! I doubt many people would bother hacking my tiny site, but ever since I started advertising yesterday, the number of online users has began to slowly increase... O.o

I think a lot of the critique Mysidia gets is quite unfair. For one, this is the only functional adoptable/click-to-grow script out there. A few used to exist, but have died out since. Secondly, for the most part it's just HoF working on it, and he's also trying to balance out finding a job, etc. Of course there are issues with the script- name one script that doesn't have issues with it that need to be worked out. As far as I can tell, scripting is a lot like writing a novel, it's not going to be perfect as soon as your fingers touch the keyboard, instead it takes a couple of drafts before you get it right. With each new version, the security increases, the script becomes more functional, and on top of just trying to improve what's already there, new features are added.

I may not be a professional programmer, but I sure as heck would say Mysidia is one of the best scripts out there, especially when you look at how far it's come.

However, critique is necessary for improvement, whether it be in script, artwork, cooking, etc. So at least people are looking in on it and offering some critique, that way you know what needs to be improved.

Might just be babbling, here XD

It's honestly the only workable user friendly pet script of any kind out there.

I have tried them all, a long time ago and then re tested them recently. All of them fail when it comes down to the nitty gritty of just installing, getting IN there and customizing it.



If we can get Games and Quests, I guarantee we will take off.

Wow. That moderator took it way too far.

Mysidia is a bit hard to get used to because of the heavy OOP used, I guess. I got used to it fairly quickly because I had previous experience with it, from C++. I also had to use smarty for a project and was able to get used to it in mysidia. I even got ajax to work with it awkwardly by reading online materials. So it's not as bad as that dude makes it out to be, in terms of modification difficulty.

What annoyed me most with that review there was that it was pretty rude. He's right on pointing out flaws and problems but it was done with a pretty childish attitude. His wording almost sounded like "there's no way this script will improve ever, it suuuucks!", while ignoring that HoF is, in fact, working to improve it.
But hey, that kind of atittude is pretty common between programmers. Either glorifying a framework or making passive-agressive essays about frameworks they don't like.

I've posted sites there in years past and they have been universally scathing and really nasty.

And they aren't all that, they really aren't as famous or popular as the hype makes it seem.

And yes .. this attitude of well, that's crap and always will be, really struck me as ridiculous. No where did I say anything about someone making some gigantic sacrifice for fixing up Vpets, lol.

If anyone has made a huge sacrifice of time and effort for this cause it IS HoF!!

edit: Oh, look what the reviewer just posted on vpl. *tsk tsk*

I am certainly not a part of the Mys staff, but I did want to bring up that commenting on VPL users and dragging stuff from over there here starts a nastiness no one wants. Same goes for any VPL users.

I find it interesting that the think you do after being accused of mudslinging is sling mud. Just think about that... :X

One post? Just barely joined?

Transparent, think about that. You have never seen me sling mud.

((Still not a part of staff but I do hope my comments count a little bit?))

I think that we need to stop this cross-site arguing. It's completely useless and doesn't help anyone. Constructive criticism helps improve the script, or at least it's supposed to. Arguing just makes everyone look bad and probably drives away potential users.

Just my $0.02 :/

I think this should stop too. Sorry, I became really upset when someone over there took a quote from me and put it there.